Stop your hatred now!

by Vera Valk, Tartu

This isn’t easy for me to say, but I can’t take it anymore. I’ve been bullied and intimidated since we launched Pervertly.com and it’s really affecting me and my family.

08 Apr, 2017

GLXY is a website that welcomes all sexual orientations and interests. We don’t condemn anyone for what they’re turned on by, but for the last week I’ve been bullied, harassed, intimidated and threatened only because I don’t condemn incesters. Because I don’t truly hate people who are sexually attracted to animals. Apparently that’s what I’m supposed to. Hate them. Hate them so much that they don’t live out their lusts and stay closeted forever.

I refuse to let you win and let GLXY be some mainstream gay site that forbids everything and everyone that’s out of the ordinary.

This week one of our members threatened to kill me. Another member has started a campaign for all GLXY’s members in Estonia to delete their account because he believes that our website is poisoned of sick, western values.

I’ve been terrorized by my cellphone, someone has knocked on my door in the middle of the night and the other day I noticed that a man stalked me from GLXY’s office to find out where I live. I’m generally scared.

I never thought it could turn this bad and I am urging you to think twice before you harm someone.

The two perpetrators behind these horrific actions are now banned from GLXY and I hope that we can move on and respect each other from now on.

Love always wins!

BLUESEA

4 months ago

:(


Hnn

4 months ago

I am sorry to hear what happened. We should tolerate and respect each other especially when we sign up to an open liberal community like GLXY.


Hypsilon

4 months ago

As I would have to wait a few days to make a long debate post about this whole story, I would like to comment this: Looking this whole situation and the comments, then it more and more looks like kids fighting. As with moderator experience, I would say first, that the whole situation has been handled the worng way. Usually, when someone starts recieveing death threats, then it usually handled personally and logically, with a ban/block. As reading this, then I feel like this has been let to escalate on a such scale, that it would require police involvment. Just posting about it and not dealing with the issue is just going to feed the machine. As big word freedom of speech has been throun arround here left and right, then it comes with a limit. We can't say everything what comes to our minds. Also, we have to consider different opinions. This site and the debates have gone to the gray area of morals and freedom of speech, what the owners have to place the lines. What is considered right or wrong? What can be disscussed? What is too much? We are all entitled to have our opinion, but we have to accept other opinions as well. But going towards hatered and violence is just wrong. As there is a saying, your freedom stops where other persons freedom begins.


Hypsilon

4 months ago

Also, I would like to wish a safe days and support to the authour, as unfortunatelly, people sometimes go easily to the extremes.


LINDA

4 months ago

@Hypsilon Are you saying that it’s Vera’s own fault and that she should blame herself for this horrific crime?


Hypsilon

4 months ago

No, that is definitley what I am not saying. I am just saying, that it should have been stopped earlier then just now (when the threatning post and messages started). No one can predict, that someone can go so far as stalking and etc. Only positive thing about this (I know its very wrong to say, but it is the truth), is that in the future you have experince on dealing with issue like this and solving it as quickly as possible.


BLUESEA

4 months ago

@Hypsilon Good that you’re clarifying that! At first I thought the same as Linda. GLXY is a very liberal site and they welcome everyone, even pedophiles, zoophiles and incest lovers and I understand that this can provoke a lot of people because they are used to people like us being bullied and stigmatized. GLXY has really changed my self confidence and I’m no longer ashamed of who I am. These people wanted to put people like my back in the closet and that’s nothing but disgusting and hateful. So my question to you is: where should the lines be placed? What is it in your opinion that shouldn’t be allowed to be discussed on GLXY?


Hypsilon

4 months ago

Well, it is not really my say on that topic. That is more for the site creators vision to decide. If I have to think about overall user happiness, then I would use the system they are building now: an additional site Pervertly, where such topics can be discussed freely. Where also users can find support and guidense from fellow users with similiar interests.| Taking the two main topics, what has caused the most heat on this site: beastiality and incest. Then they come with a moral limit. What can we really support? To what extent? What does the law say about it? For exaple, beastiality, I dont find it moraly correct (please don't kill me). If I have to explain why, then I would ask: Is the animal fine with it? Does he understand what is going on?| This can be partnered with incest and pedophilia topic too. Incest, for exaple, is a wide range of combination of "relationships". Going on the topic of incest relationship between brothers, who are adults, then I can't say anything about it really. Those are two adults, who have found love between eachother. If they are happy, then good for them, I can support that. Because it would be narrow minded not to support that, because I would be denying my own prefrence of men. But can incest be ok between a parent and a child? Then we get the same questions: Does the child understand what is going on? Can a child provide concent to such relatsionship? As I said, it is such a gray area, what I think site owners should define. Because I feel, if there are no borders to topics, then this kind of incident may repeat itself the future.


Hypsilon

4 months ago

And also, bullying is not ok. I understand that people have a different opinion about it, but that gives no right to bully someone for it. I support, that such sites are built, what support people and who they really are. Unfortunatelly, not everyone agrees.


BLUESEA

4 months ago

I also think that most of us will start using Pervertly instead of GLXY. Also, I agree with you 100 %. Last time this was discussed, GLXY stated that they would allow pedophile members, but they would never under any circumstances allow sharing of child pornography or any other illegal activity. I think that’s a healthy approach. Same applies to their view on incest. The times that incest has been discussed the word child has never even been brought up. As for zoophilia, my personal approach is that it’s okay as long as the animal is the active part, e.g. a dog fucking a human, but not the other way around. As far as I know, sex where the human is the active part has never been discussed. These topics may be controversial, but far from illegal to discuss.


Coolio

4 months ago

I’m 18 and I’m in a loving relationship with my brother. He is 16. We love each other truly and we always have for as long as I can remember. It really saddens me that some narrow minded people thinks that we are too sick for this website. This guy Jaago even wrote to me that I should be executed publicly if we ever came to Estonia. I’m really scared now and afraid that GLXY will have stricter rules and ban people like me and my brother because we are not mainstream gay :(


Hypsilon

4 months ago

I know, but discussing those topics, that has to be defined. A regular person watching the debate may understand it as absolutly everything is supported. That's what setting everything on fire. As a saw, you live in Russia. Your danger right now is one law, what can be used an exaple on this topic, that is the untraditional relationship propaganda law. The law is written so vague, that it can be abused. It is an extreme example, but it is a really good one. It shows how easily things can go worng. These days its better to define exactly what is alright to discuss and in what context (What is fine with everyone and moraly correct).


Hypsilon

4 months ago

Well, if you both understand what you both are doing, it is fine. Who am I or anyone else to say, what you can or can not do. And do not worry, you will not be executed if you came here. Most important thing is that both are happy and understand the situation.


BLUESEA

4 months ago

If we start talking about morale and what’s morally acceptable to talk about, I guess GLXY would have to ban a lot of threads :P I think if the most perverted statements would find its way to Pervertly.com it would be for the best. Also, like other people have pointed out before, if the Forum gets too strict, people will stop using it. Currently it’s the main reason for many people to come here. I think a lot of people likes to be provoked and shocked too, otherwise they wouldn’t use it?


Hypsilon

4 months ago

Well yea, morals is a really wide and changing concept. Can't really define it exactly. Just you have to sides of the coin here. Dont missunderstand this, but there are the normal avrage people, and then there is the pevertly userbase. They are different and when mixed, it may just cause these clashes and differences, what may go out of hand. Some things take time and can't be really forced together.


BLUESEA

4 months ago

I fully agree with you! :-) Then again, GLXY has always been "openminded", so it’s just really weird that all these conservative gays are ending up on this site. Like a hateful Mormon wouldn’t join a gay parade, narrow-minded, conservative LGBT’s shouldn’t be here.


Hypsilon

4 months ago

Well, you can not really say that, can you. You are throwing the same rock back at them. We have to accept them and you. Just we have to understand, that its their own will, to unserstand and accept. They have an option not to respond to it and just ignore it, but as we saw, they chose otherwise. And they did the same thing to you all, what have been done to us all in the past, we fought to get rid of.


BLUESEA

4 months ago

GLXY should be a website for everyone, of course. But it’s known for being liberal and open towards everyone and not only mainstream LGBT’s. That’s what I meant.


Hypsilon

4 months ago

Yeas, but they showed the side what this site is fighting against. We have to hope and wish the best for the site and the users.